[TF-AIDN] TF-AIDN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1

Ahmed Bakhat Masood ahmedbakhat at pta.gov.pk
Sun Jul 13 17:58:10 CEST 2014

Dear All,

Reference trailing follow up mail of teleconference dated 01-07-2014. 
I am attaching Code point document w.r.t EGIDS scale, which has been 
prepared by Dr. Sarmad, Iftikhar and me for the discussion of the group as 
per detail below:

1.      EGIDS language scale 1-4                        highlighted as 
2.      EGIDS language scale 5 and above                highlighted as 
3.      Optional code points in relevant language       highlighted as 
4.      Code pint need discussion of the group          not highlighted or 

Almost all the possible languages have been covered which has their 
relevant EGIDS scale at ethnologue website, however some of the languages 
like "ANT" were not found in the scale but I remember Meikal was 
explaining that it is group of some languages, so after discussion with 
him we can update document w.r.t EGIDS. 

Furthermore most of the code points are falling in 1-4 EGIDS scale due to 
relevant languages like Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Hausa, Uyghur and Fulfulde 
however some of the languages are falling in 5, 6a and 6b scale 
(highlighted as Orange), for which we have to give valid reasons to be 
counted in the LGR or we have to find some other languages which are using 
same code point and has better EGIDS scale. So we can discuss all 
possibilities in the coming conference call.

Best Regards,

Ahmed Bakht Masood
Deputy Director (ICT/Network),
Pakistan Telecom Authority, 
Headquarters F-5/1, Islamabad, Pakistan
Phone (O): 0092-51-9225361

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Today's Topics:

   1. Follow up on call on 1 Jul 14 (Sarmad Hussain)

----- Message from "Sarmad Hussain" <sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk> on Tue, 1 
Jul 2014 22:58:03 +0500 -----
"'TF-AIDN'" <tf-aidn at meswg.org>
[TF-AIDN] Follow up on call on 1 Jul 14

Dear All,
Here is relevant info and action items from our call today:
1.       Tarik and Meikal to look at code points 08F4 – 08FD and identify 
the following (where possible)
a.       Languages in Africa using these code points (vowel signs)
b.      Those used, whether they are optional or required by the language 
(e.g. Kasra vowel sign is optional (not required) in Arabic and Urdu 
2.       Ahmed, Iftikhar and Sarmad to document the no. on EGIDS scale for 
each code point for further discussion during next call
3.       Everybody: please read the explanation on EGIDS scale:
a.       Read through section 5.10 (second half) on page 22 of the latest 
Overview and Rationale document by IP available at 
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-overview-06jun14-en.pdf on 
where they suggest putting the cut off and why
b.      Introduction to this scale by ethnologue at 
c.       The work on IP is based on the Procedure to develop LGR for the 
root zone.  The procedure is available at 
.  >From this procedure, if you read C.9 on pg. 43, the conservatism 
principle suggests that if TF-AIDN wants to suggest a change, IP must be 
convinced and they should agree;  other option is to proceed with the 
shorter set for LGR right now and aim to do more detailed homework and try 
to include extra code points in the next revisions.  This can be done and 
IP has indicated that there will be no bias next time in case this is done 
in two steps.  We decided to discuss options after the final analysis of 
code points in the next call
4.       Regarding the missing characters reported by Tarik for some 
languages in Africa, to add these in Unicode TF-AIDN or any other 
organization would need to develop a proposal for Unicode consortium, e.g. 
see http://www.cle.org.pk/Publication/papers/2006/n3117.pdf. 
5.       Everybody: please finally review the information in the attached 
document and let us know if there are any additions/changes.  Those who 
have names in front of the code points, either confirm the language or 
delete the entry for that code point, and remove your name (and send the 
revised version to the list.
We will finalize the characters to be included in the LGR in the next call 
in two weeks.
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