[TF-AIDN] Fw: TF-AIDN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9

Ahmed Bakhat Masood ahmedbakhat at pta.gov.pk
Fri Oct 24 22:38:06 CEST 2014


Dear All,

Reference trailing mail, final code point document version 0.7, is 
attached  for final review the group before circulation to other groups. 
Many  thanks to all for their valuable contribution in finalizing the 
document. 


Best Regards,

Ahmed Bakht Masood
Deputy Director (ICT/Network),
Pakistan Telecom Authority, 
Headquarters F-5/1, Islamabad, Pakistan
Phone (O): 0092-51-9225361
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From:   Ahmed Bakhat Masood/ICT/PTA/PK
To:     tf-aidn at meswg.org, 
Date:   09/02/2014 12:09 PM
Subject:        Fw: TF-AIDN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9


Dear All,

Reference trailing mail and TF-AIDN conference call, updated code point 
documents version 0.5 are attached for discussion to finalize the 
document, by the group. 


Best Regards,

Ahmed Bakht Masood
Deputy Director (ICT/Network),
Pakistan Telecom Authority, 
Headquarters F-5/1, Islamabad, Pakistan
Phone (O): 0092-51-9225361



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From:   Ahmed Bakhat Masood/ICT/PTA/PK
To:     tf-aidn at meswg.org, 
Date:   08/03/2014 11:16 PM
Subject:        Re: TF-AIDN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9


Dear All, 

Reference trailing mails regarding finalization of code points for LGR, 
Updated Code point document w.r.t EGID Scale in MS Word and status of 
languages in MS Excel, for the discussion of the group as per detail 
below: 

1.        EGID language scale 1-4                          highlighted as 
"green" 
2.        EGID language scale 5 and above                  highlighted as 
"Orange" 
3.        Optional or vowel code points in relevant language highlighted 
as "Blue" 
4.        Code point for which information has yet not received by any 
member         not highlighted or white 

Relevant individuals have also been requested to updated Information 
regarding their corresponding language. 

 Best Regards,

Ahmed Bakht Masood
Deputy Director (ICT/Network),
Pakistan Telecom Authority, 
Headquarters F-5/1, Islamabad, Pakistan
Phone (O): 0092-51-9225361


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0.4.docx" deleted by Ahmed Bakhat Masood/ICT/PTA/PK] 


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   1. Re: Follow up on call on 1 Jul 14 (Tarik Merghani)
   2. Re: TF-AIDN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 (Meikal Mumin)


----- Message from Tarik Merghani <tarik at isoc.sd> on Tue, 15 Jul 2014 
18:47:24 +0300 -----
To:
Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk>, 'TF-AIDN' <tf-aidn at meswg.org>
Subject:
Re: [TF-AIDN] Follow up on call on 1 Jul 14

Dear All,

   Sorry to be late in sending this email ... but I just arrived from 
Abuja ( Nigeria ) ..

Here are the standards created by the Islamic Educational, Scientific and 
Cultural Organization ( ISESCO ) ... with collaboration with UNESCO and 
with support from Bank Of Jaddah ( Saudi Arabia ) and Yousif Al-Khalifa 
Center for African Languages ( In University of Africa ) ...
Those standards for Writing African languages in Arabic Script ... those 
standards depends on some special characters ( for new sounds which is not 
there in Arabic ) and Special 


Uploaded ( folder 15 July ) you will find two different folders + 
photocopy :

1) Wolof - Fulfulde - Yoruba - Mandink - Hausa - Susu :- It contains 
Translations for Al-Akhdari-Book ( which is an Islamic Basic Book - Writen 
by Abderahaman Al-Akhdari )
    Lanaguges ( Hausa - Yoruba - Fula ( Fulfulde ) - Mandink - Susu - 
Wolof )
    you can find a file contains the charactor of each language ... but 
you may need to add languages to your WinWord ( windows ) so as to display 
those files
 
2) Quran Part 30 :- It contains Part 30 of Quran in each language and at 
the end of the file you can see list of special characters used
   it is in PDF so all can use them ...
 
 
3) About Uncodes ( 08F4 - 08FD ) A photocopy of page 168 of book (ISESCO 
Standard signs.jpg)( Writing African Languages using Arabic Characters - 
writen by Prof Babikir Gadrmary )
   in this page he talk about seven vowel signs standard by ISESCO and 
those will be standard to use in african languages
   three signs ( five unicode ... as two signs can be used above or bellow 
the letter ) of these signs are 08F4 - 08F7 - 08F8 - 08F9 - 08FA 
   So I think those signs are very important as they create a sound which 
is not there in standard Arabic script ( character set )
   For example the word ( you ) In Swahili ( wewe ) is written in Arabic 
script ( using ISESCO standard ) with double ( 0648 ) but with 
   08F9 under each 0648 ... to produce the sound wewe ... and without 
those signs the sound will be totally different and ( maybe ) different 
word
   Look at last page in Swahili.pdf in Swahili folder in Quran part 30

Tarik Merghani
 



about Code 076A :- ( IT has no color and it was not discussed )

It is used in Wolof Lnagauge ( African langauge - one of six Official 
langauages used in Senegal and other places in Africa )
please see link ( http://www.omniglot.com/writing/wolof.htm ) 




On 7/1/2014 8:58 PM, Sarmad Hussain wrote:
Dear All,
 
Here is relevant info and action items from our call today:
 
1.       Tarik and Meikal to look at code points 08F4 – 08FD and identify 
the following (where possible)
a.       Languages in Africa using these code points (vowel signs)
b.      Those used, whether they are optional or required by the language 
(e.g. Kasra vowel sign is optional (not required) in Arabic and Urdu 
languages)
2.       Ahmed, Iftikhar and Sarmad to document the no. on EGIDS scale for 
each code point for further discussion during next call
3.       Everybody: please read the explanation on EGIDS scale:
a.       Read through section 5.10 (second half) on page 22 of the latest 
Overview and Rationale document by IP available at 
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-overview-06jun14-en.pdf on 
where they suggest putting the cut off and why
b.      Introduction to this scale by ethnologue at 
http://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status
c.       The work on IP is based on the Procedure to develop LGR for the 
root zone.  The procedure is available at 
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-lgr-procedure-20mar13-en.pdf
.  >From this procedure, if you read C.9 on pg. 43, the conservatism 
principle suggests that if TF-AIDN wants to suggest a change, IP must be 
convinced and they should agree;  other option is to proceed with the 
shorter set for LGR right now and aim to do more detailed homework and try 
to include extra code points in the next revisions.  This can be done and 
IP has indicated that there will be no bias next time in case this is done 
in two steps.  We decided to discuss options after the final analysis of 
code points in the next call
4.       Regarding the missing characters reported by Tarik for some 
languages in Africa, to add these in Unicode TF-AIDN or any other 
organization would need to develop a proposal for Unicode consortium, e.g. 
see http://www.cle.org.pk/Publication/papers/2006/n3117.pdf. 
5.       Everybody: please finally review the information in the attached 
document and let us know if there are any additions/changes.  Those who 
have names in front of the code points, either confirm the language or 
delete the entry for that code point, and remove your name (and send the 
revised version to the list.
 
We will finalize the characters to be included in the LGR in the next call 
in two weeks.
 
Regards,
Sarmad
 


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----- Message from Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin at uni-koeln.de> on Tue, 15 Jul 
2014 18:23:05 +0200 -----
To:
Ahmed Bakhat Masood <ahmedbakhat at pta.gov.pk>
cc:
TF-AIDN <tf-aidn at meswg.org>
Subject:
Re: [TF-AIDN] TF-AIDN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1

This is the principal resource, where languages are listed with their 
evaluation according to EGDIS:
http://www.ethnologue.com/ 


On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Ahmed Bakhat Masood <
ahmedbakhat at pta.gov.pk> wrote:
Dear All, 

Reference trailing follow up mail of teleconference dated 01-07-2014. 
I am attaching Code point document w.r.t EGIDS scale, which has been 
prepared by Dr. Sarmad, Iftikhar and me for the discussion of the group as 
per detail below: 

1.        EGIDS language scale 1-4                         highlighted as 
"green" 
2.        EGIDS language scale 5 and above                 highlighted as 
"Orange" 
3.        Optional code points in relevant language        highlighted as 
"Blue" 
4.        Code pint need discussion of the group                not 
highlighted or white 

Almost all the possible languages have been covered which has their 
relevant EGIDS scale at ethnologue website, however some of the languages 
like "ANT" were not found in the scale but I remember Meikal was 
explaining that it is group of some languages, so after discussion with 
him we can update document w.r.t EGIDS.   

Furthermore most of the code points are falling in 1-4 EGIDS scale due to 
relevant languages like Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Hausa, Uyghur and Fulfulde 
however some of the languages are falling in 5, 6a and 6b scale 
(highlighted as Orange), for which we have to give valid reasons to be 
counted in the LGR or we have to find some other languages which are using 
same code point and has better EGIDS scale. So we can discuss all 
possibilities in the coming conference call. 


Best Regards,

Ahmed Bakht Masood
Deputy Director (ICT/Network), 
Pakistan Telecom Authority, 
Headquarters F-5/1, Islamabad, Pakistan
Phone (O): 0092-51-9225361 





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----- Message from "Sarmad Hussain" <sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk> on Tue, 1 
Jul 2014 22:58:03 +0500 ----- 
To:
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Subject:
[TF-AIDN] Follow up on call on 1 Jul 14

Dear All, 
  
Here is relevant info and action items from our call today: 
  
1.       Tarik and Meikal to look at code points 08F4 – 08FD and identify 
the following (where possible) 
a.       Languages in Africa using these code points (vowel signs) 
b.      Those used, whether they are optional or required by the language 
(e.g. Kasra vowel sign is optional (not required) in Arabic and Urdu 
languages) 
2.       Ahmed, Iftikhar and Sarmad to document the no. on EGIDS scale for 
each code point for further discussion during next call 
3.       Everybody: please read the explanation on EGIDS scale: 
a.       Read through section 5.10 (second half) on page 22 of the latest 
Overview and Rationale document by IP available at 
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-overview-06jun14-en.pdf on 
where they suggest putting the cut off and why 
b.      Introduction to this scale by ethnologue at 
http://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status 
c.       The work on IP is based on the Procedure to develop LGR for the 
root zone.  The procedure is available at 
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-lgr-procedure-20mar13-en.pdf
.  >From this procedure, if you read C.9 on pg. 43, the conservatism 
principle suggests that if TF-AIDN wants to suggest a change, IP must be 
convinced and they should agree;  other option is to proceed with the 
shorter set for LGR right now and aim to do more detailed homework and try 
to include extra code points in the next revisions.  This can be done and 
IP has indicated that there will be no bias next time in case this is done 
in two steps.  We decided to discuss options after the final analysis of 
code points in the next call 
4.       Regarding the missing characters reported by Tarik for some 
languages in Africa, to add these in Unicode TF-AIDN or any other 
organization would need to develop a proposal for Unicode consortium, e.g. 
see http://www.cle.org.pk/Publication/papers/2006/n3117.pdf.   
5.       Everybody: please finally review the information in the attached 
document and let us know if there are any additions/changes.  Those who 
have names in front of the code points, either confirm the language or 
delete the entry for that code point, and remove your name (and send the 
revised version to the list. 
  
We will finalize the characters to be included in the LGR in the next call 
in two weeks. 
  
Regards,
Sarmad 
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